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Thursday, August 31, 2006

The 10 Commandments

I had to laugh with two videos here the firstand here the second about the Ten Commandments. The last one is a survey in the US, where the interviewer asks normal people to list the commandments. What it comes very clear is that for 90% of the interviewed people, "you shall not commit adultery" is the first one that comes to their minds. I had to think myself on all the commandments.

Just to remember, I found a picture with the commandments, and placed it here. It won't harm I guess!

Be blessed,

Armando

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posted by Armando at 12:57 pm

4 Comments:

  • Dude I really enjoyed those videos!
    Made me realise that we all need to get back to the basics of our faith.
    Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and for all time!

    One question I have:

    Can anyone show me where in the Bible it tells us that the Sabbath (Friday pm till Saturday pm) was changed to Sunday? If not, why do we break the 4th commandment and never keep the Sabbath?
    Big question!!
    Come on you theologians - give me a Biblical answer!!

    By Blogger David John Bolton, At 9/04/2006 08:27:00 pm  

  • Dave,

    What a question! I've found one good answer at Tom Brown ministries http://www.tbm.org/sabbath.htm

    I would agree with the main idea of the inaugurated eschatology, that since we entered into the Day of the Lord (new creation, kingdom breakthrough) by meeting Jesus and receiving the work of the Cross, all our days are sanctified, and we have to live accordingly.

    Uff ... you like the difficult questions! Hope more will come!

    By Blogger Armando, At 9/04/2006 09:21:00 pm  

  • Dave, it is also interesting to see what early Christians said about sunday. I've found some quotations here: http://www.new-life.net/sunday.htm

    By Blogger Armando, At 9/04/2006 10:03:00 pm  

  • Thanks Armando for the sites and info. Very interesting.

    As this topic is vital to my PhD studies, a little dialogue follows to keep the debate going, for those interested. Here I'm taking the opposite side (for the sake of debate!)

    Dan Brown said,

    "Concerning Sunday as the Sabbath, the historical accounts show that the early church usually met on Sunday (1 Cor 16:2)"

    Actually the Greek word here is 'sabbaton' meaning sabbath. The text doesn't mention 'a first day of the week' at all. What it says is 'on one of the sabbaths...'. It seems to show that Paul's 'ekklesia' actually still met on the sabbath and that was the day they were to give their tithes and offerings... Or am I missing something?

    Dan Brown said,

    "When the rich young ruler asked Jesus which commandments to obey, Jesus listed many of them, but the Sabbath was not mentioned (see Matt 19:18-19). In fact He had a run-in with many that got angry with Him because His disciples broke the Sabbath on one occasion. That's when Jesus said, "The son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath" (Matt 12:8)."

    In Matt 19:18-19 Jesus didn't mention the first 4 commandments either - to have no idols before God etc. Does that mean we're not to keep them either?? Obviously not!

    Jesus did indeed say, 'I'm Lord of the sabbath'. He didn't say 'I'm Lord of Sunday'. The sabbath is the only day Jesus claimed as his own.

    Dan Brown said,

    "Notice Paul’s clear warning against those who preach the necessity of keeping the Sabbath:

    'Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. (Col 2:16-17)'"

    But these verses do not say 'Don't keep the sabbath'. They were probably addressed to Gentiles who were following Paul's teaching and were being ridiculed by fellow Gentiles about their religious holy day observances. So Paul writes, don't let them (other Gentiles) judge you about keeping them. Why? Because they're a shadow (a symbol) of what is to come!! Does this mean that they will be in operation in the Kingdom? Could be! See Isaiah 66.23!! Yet, the reality is not the festival, but Christ. Like the Lord's Supper too. It's a shadow that points to the Kingdom, but the reality is Christ. Though it's a symbol-shadow, we still keep it.

    Dan Brown said,

    "I live in the Sabbath everyday by resting in the finished work of Christ for my salvation. That is how we keep the Sabbath. Paul said:

    'One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. (Rom 14:5-6)'"

    Again we see that keeping one day as special (perhaps referring to the sabbath) is not condemned. Perhaps then we have the freedom to keep it or not to keep it? The same is true for the Sunday I guess. I do agree with Brown here that we can already enter into our sabbath rest 'in Christ'. But again already being cleansed by Christ's blood doesn't mean I stop observing the Lord's Supper. The two can obviously go together.

    This needs more investigation!


    Some points to conclude:

    Jesus himself kept the sabbath as was his custom - Lk 4.16.

    Long after the resurrection, Paul kept the sabbath - Acts 17.2.
    Moreover he also seems to have observed the Biblical festivals such as Pentecost 1 Cor 16.8 and Passover and Unleavened Bread 1 Cor 5.7-8.

    The quotes from church history are very interesting too, but again they're not Biblical evidence 'per se' and thus have less authority!

    Looking forward to your further insights on this!

    By Blogger David John Bolton, At 9/05/2006 12:56:00 pm  

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